Immigration

[Cinga]

1 hour ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Cruel and unusual punishment is vengeance, and is never healthy for the person performing it.  Just...kill them, quick and clean.

 

Surgeons don't torture tumors.  They just excise them and toss 'em in the trash.  

 

Sorry, but I will disagree.... In order to stop child trafficking and pedophilia you have to make the penalty so disgustingly abhorrent and scary they will never think of breaking the law. Nationally televised execution in a way of the parents choice is the way to do that 

[RochesterRob]

8 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Sorry, but I will disagree.... In order to stop child trafficking and pedophilia you have to make the penalty so disgustingly abhorrent and scary they will never think of breaking the law. Nationally televised execution in a way of the parents choice is the way to do that 

  The same with performing acts that are destructive to the nation.  I know we got away from executions in part due to people improperly using such penalties to be rid of personal opponents who most likely were not guilty of the crimes they were accused of perpetrating.  People need to realize the seriousness of false witness against others as pointed out in the Ten Commandments.  That the truth is the first cornerstone in a moral and just society.  

[Billsandhorns]

22 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Sorry, but I will disagree.... In order to stop child trafficking and pedophilia you have to make the penalty so disgustingly abhorrent and scary they will never think of breaking the law. Nationally televised execution in a way of the parents choice is the way to do that 

I say feet first into a woodchipper

[Cinga]

11 minutes ago, Billsandhorns said:

I say feet first into a woodchipper

 

If that is what the parents want and agree to, by all means!

[Taro T]

52 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Sorry, but I will disagree.... In order to stop child trafficking and pedophilia you have to make the penalty so disgustingly abhorrent and scary they will never think of breaking the law. Nationally televised execution in a way of the parents choice is the way to do that 

 

Understand where you're coming from, but don't totally agree with it.  

 

Expect that even with going full on Chinese punishment of opiod users won't eliminate the practices.  And if somebody who continues in the business knows that getting caught means a very painful death sentence they have no incentive whatsoever to keep those trafficked / used alive when "the walls close in" on them (to chose a favorite MSM phrase from the 2017-2020 period).  Personally expect that it will result in many more deaths of truly innocent people that did nothing more wrong than wanting a better life.

 

Can see exceptions where the death penalty should be on the table, but still want it limited to very rare circumstances because once somebody has nothing left to lose upon getting caught they will do everything possible to keep from getting caught.  And eliminating witnesses that could testify against them in a trial would be a likely course of action for them.

 

Am generally opposed to making rape a capital crime for the same reason.  If we are going to have a rape victim, that person is (again generally) better off being traumatized and alive than traumatized and dead.  Though we have significant penalties for committing rape, we haven't come anywhere close to eliminating it.  Don't want to statutorily force rapists into becoming murderers also.  (Don't want any rapists, obviously, but manadatory death sentences aren't going to eliminate it and might perversely also increase the incidence of false accusations.)

[RochesterRob]

20 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Understand where you're coming from, but don't totally agree with it.  

 

Expect that even with going full on Chinese punishment of opiod users won't eliminate the practices.  And if somebody who continues in the business knows that getting caught means a very painful death sentence they have no incentive whatsoever to keep those trafficked / used alive when "the walls close in" on them (to chose a favorite MSM phrase from the 2017-2020 period).  Personally expect that it will result in many more deaths of truly innocent people that did nothing more wrong than wanting a better life.

 

Can see exceptions where the death penalty should be on the table, but still want it limited to very rare circumstances because once somebody has nothing left to lose upon getting caught they will do everything possible to keep from getting caught.  And eliminating witnesses that could testify against them in a trial would be a likely course of action for them.

 

Am generally opposed to making rape a capital crime for the same reason.  If we are going to have a rape victim, that person is (again generally) better off being traumatized and alive than traumatized and dead.  Though we have significant penalties for committing rape, we haven't come anywhere close to eliminating it.  Don't want to statutorily force rapists into becoming murderers also.  (Don't want any rapists, obviously, but manadatory death sentences aren't going to eliminate it and might perversely also increase the incidence of false accusations.)

  Well said on the matter of rape.  Even with physical evidence there is the matter of consent might be there at midnight but at 7AM the same person might consider themselves raped.  Especially if pressure is applied by a dominant personality in the "victim's" life such as a father, boyfriend, or husband.  Yes, there are women out there who look outside of their marriage for sex because of varying reasons.  I know of a woman who had a fling with a high school crush decades after the fact.

[Cinga]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Well said on the matter of rape.  Even with physical evidence there is the matter of consent might be there at midnight but at 7AM the same person might consider themselves raped.  Especially if pressure is applied by a dominant personality in the "victim's" life such as a father, boyfriend, or husband.  Yes, there are women out there who look outside of their marriage for sex because of varying reasons.  I know of a woman who had a fling with a high school crush decades after the fact.

 

As you alluded to above, there needs to also be a penalty for people that falsely accuse another. We've seen peoples lives destroyed for something later proven to be totally false and the accuser gets to just walk away.

[Cinga]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

 

Understand where you're coming from, but don't totally agree with it.  

 

Expect that even with going full on Chinese punishment of opiod users won't eliminate the practices.  And if somebody who continues in the business knows that getting caught means a very painful death sentence they have no incentive whatsoever to keep those trafficked / used alive when "the walls close in" on them (to chose a favorite MSM phrase from the 2017-2020 period).  Personally expect that it will result in many more deaths of truly innocent people that did nothing more wrong than wanting a better life.

 

Can see exceptions where the death penalty should be on the table, but still want it limited to very rare circumstances because once somebody has nothing left to lose upon getting caught they will do everything possible to keep from getting caught.  And eliminating witnesses that could testify against them in a trial would be a likely course of action for them.

 

Am generally opposed to making rape a capital crime for the same reason.  If we are going to have a rape victim, that person is (again generally) better off being traumatized and alive than traumatized and dead.  Though we have significant penalties for committing rape, we haven't come anywhere close to eliminating it.  Don't want to statutorily force rapists into becoming murderers also.  (Don't want any rapists, obviously, but manadatory death sentences aren't going to eliminate it and might perversely also increase the incidence of false accusations.)

 

I get what your saying, but the discussion is focused more on trafficking whether that is for sex slaves or for forced labor more than "just" charges of rape or pedophilia and you will never stop it unless the penalty is harsh enough to be a serious deterrent in the first place

Edited August 21 by Cinga

[devnull]

3 hours ago, Cinga said:

 

Sorry, but I will disagree.... In order to stop child trafficking and pedophilia you have to make the penalty so disgustingly abhorrent and scary they will never think of breaking the law. Nationally televised execution in a way of the parents choice is the way to do that 

 

2 hours ago, Billsandhorns said:

I say feet first into a woodchipper

 

 

[Fansince88]

5 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Cruel and unusual punishment is vengeance, and is never healthy for the person performing it.  Just...kill them, quick and clean.

 

Surgeons don't torture tumors.  They just excise them and toss 'em in the trash.  

Hmmm, you sound experienced. 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

2 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

Hmmm, you sound experienced. 

 

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[Boyst]

19 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Vance needs to be sent to the county the dipshits sheriff is from and make a statement about the border. Make sure to remind everyone the border is 150 miles away. That it would be like Columbus telling Cleveland not to worry about Lake Erie. Or  Philidelphia wanting tips for a New Haven Pizza. Or Portland, Oregon working on border issues with Canada.

[Billsandhorns]

1 hour ago, Boyst said:

Vance needs to be sent to the county the dipshits sheriff is from and make a statement about the border. Make sure to remind everyone the border is 150 miles away. That it would be like Columbus telling Cleveland not to worry about Lake Erie. Or  Philidelphia wanting tips for a New Haven Pizza. Or Portland, Oregon working on border issues with Canada.

That sheriff is in the county where the worst tragedy of human smuggling in recent history happened. 53 illegals were found dead in the back of a tractor trailer dead, 2 years ago he was begging this administration to do more.

Edited August 22 by Billsandhorns

[IDBillzFan]

Oregon housing market is going to be POPPIN!

 

The idea that an illegal alien can not only be given this money, but that they can somehow get a mortgage from a US bank, along with all the insurance requirements, just blows my mind. 

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

8 minutes ago, Billsandhorns said:

That sheriff is in the county where the worst tragedy of human smuggling in recent history happened. 53 illegals were found dead in the back of a tractor trailer dead, 2 years ago he was begging this administration to do more.

 

https://www.news4sanantonio.com/news/local/two-human-trafficking-victims-saved-suspects-arrested-in-local-bust-local-news-near-me-crime-law-public-safety-border-crisis-sex

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SAN ANTONIO - Two victims have been recovered, and two suspects are in custody after a sex trafficking bust at a local motel.

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The two victims, ultimately identified as undocumented Venezuelans,

 

 

 

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/02/23/3-suspects-identified-in-southwest-side-human-smuggling-operation/

 

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3 suspects identified in Southwest Side human smuggling operation

One victim found to be wanted on two warrants out of Mexico, BCSO says

 

SAN ANTONIO – Three men arrested Thursday night for their involvement in a human smuggling operation have been identified, according to Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar.

 

 

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/07/28/driver-71-arrested-after-traffic-stop-leads-to-human-smuggling-charge-seguin-police-say/

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Driver, 71, arrested on charge of human smuggling after traffic stop

Domingo Mena arrested, charged with smuggling of persons after police discovered 2 undocumented people

 

 

KSAT out of San Antonio has an entire page of stories about human smuggling in Bexar County.

https://www.ksat.com/topic/Human_Smuggling/

 

 

I'm thinking maybe Sheriff Javier Salazar is a duplicitous @$$h@l&.  

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

Oregon housing market is going to be POPPIN!

 

The idea that an illegal alien can not only be given this money, but that they can somehow get a mortgage from a US bank, along with all the insurance requirements, just blows my mind. 

 

 

 

Of course they'll get mortgages, meet the insurance requirements.

 

Harris's Department of Housing and Urban Development will require that all such requirements be waived for migrants, and anyone who "discriminates" against them in any part of the housing industry will be subject to criminal prosecution.

 

Doubt me?  That's the sort of "equity" regulation that led to the 2008 collapse.  And Democrats never learn.

[IDBillzFan]

47 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Of course they'll get mortgages, meet the insurance requirements.

 

Harris's Department of Housing and Urban Development will require that all such requirements be waived for migrants, and anyone who "discriminates" against them in any part of the housing industry will be subject to criminal prosecution.

 

Doubt me?  That's the sort of "equity" regulation that led to the 2008 collapse.  And Democrats never learn.

 

We started looking at some investment properties this past four or five months for a new venture, and were JUST about to pull the trigger to make an offer, but with Biden out and the sudden realization we're almost certainly looking at a Harris administration, we put our powder back in storage until at least after the election.

 

My intent is to be smarter this time and wait for the next collapse.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

15 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

We started looking at some investment properties this past four or five months for a new venture, and were JUST about to pull the trigger to make an offer, but with Biden out and the sudden realization we're almost certainly looking at a Harris administration, we put our powder back in storage until at least after the election.

 

My intent is to be smarter this time and wait for the next collapse.

 

Now that our finances are in order, we were starting to talk about Nantucket property - some beachfront property is going for the price of the land alone, due to erosion encroaching on the houses.

 

Will wait until Harris caves in the economy.  And nice thing about Nantucket property is it's a mostly liberal elite community, so there's little risk of the property being confiscated to house illegal immigrants.