Crap Throwing Clavin Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 Just now, RochesterRob said: Killing Hitler is an empty fantasy for even the crazy. Even the people who believed that Hitler escaped to South America and lived to the age of 120 don't believe he is around in 2024. 19 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: "Are you saying you wouldn't kill Hitler in 1935 if you had the chance?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: I watch Star Trek as much as anybody and I don't believe that for one second that I could travel back to 1935. I don't think that most nuts believe that they could either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) I've only thought about the killing of Hitler since Tom raised the scenario within the last half hour. Why wait until 1935 and risk somebody like Goebbels, Himmler, or Goehring taking power who might have a smarter approach than engaging in war on multiple fronts and very untimely use of resources in a genocide operation? Why not kill Hitler while he was a corporal during the First World War? If we can go back to 1935 then we could go back to 1888 and disrupt his conception? Since the Kaiser was in large part responsible for a war he could not win maybe disable him so somebody else would be in charge of Germany before the war? Maybe we could zap him with a nice gun (Bewitched). It would have worked on Endora. Edited June 18 by RochesterRob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyst Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Killing Trump makes him a martyr in the eyes of many and somebody would think that their place in the afterlife would be secure by killing a key Democrat in retaliation. For any DOJ. FBI, or some other government spook watching this board I did not suggest a specific individual. The point is simply to get rid of Trump for the left. There is no one on the right to take his place. The hardliner maga folks would not be interested in jumping up and down - they'd go straight towards and attack the government... Which enables Biden to secure martial law and further ban Republicans. Even if they really the troops and get someone to replace him on the ballot the GOP is set back to the Scott Walker/Nikki Haley/Chris Christie level of balls. And of those 3 Haley has the most balls, unless you count meatballs than Christie has them. Again, if any person thinks I want this to happen or at all believing I am anything beyond breaking down the potential for some whack job ... And this is being read in court these two things must be on the record: &#%$ Tom Brady and the prosecutor strokes his salami to pickle porn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, Boyst said: The point is simply to get rid of Trump for the left. There is no one on the right to take his place. The hardliner maga folks would not be interested in jumping up and down - they'd go straight towards and attack the government... Which enables Biden to secure martial law and further ban Republicans. Even if they really the troops and get someone to replace him on the ballot the GOP is set back to the Scott Walker/Nikki Haley/Chris Christie level of balls. And of those 3 Haley has the most balls, unless you count meatballs than Christie has them. Again, if any person thinks I want this to happen or at all believing I am anything beyond breaking down the potential for some whack job ... And this is being read in court these two things must be on the record: &#%$ Tom Brady and the prosecutor strokes his salami to pickle porn. Martial law works in a society where the opposition is minimally armed. That does not describe the US at present. It will not be just the far right up in arms if Biden restricts travel to requiring papers in order to move around the US. Who is going to tell the tens of thousands of NFL fans that they cannot see their team play on the road because it is feared somebody would deviate from their filed plan in order to go to DC and whack Biden. Further, politicians on the left would worry that extremists would just lump all Democrats together and settle for killing the likes of Hochul for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devnull Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: They're usually one "Are you saying you wouldn't kill Hitler in 1935 if you had the chance?" If I went back in time to 1935, I wouldn't kill Hitler I'd write a letter to myself and put it in a time capsule to be opened in the year 2000. And in this letter, is all the stocks I would tell my future self to invest in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, devnull said: If I went back in time to 1935, I wouldn't kill Hitler I'd write a letter to myself and put it in a time capsule to be opened in the year 2000. And in this letter, is all the stocks I would tell my future self to invest in And killing Hitler might goof up more than you may realize when it comes to buying stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: I'm consistently having the discussion with "Trump = Hitler" people where they claim the Democrats won't try to assassinate Trump. They're usually one "Are you saying you wouldn't kill Hitler in 1935 if you had the chance?" question away from saying "Okay...maybe they should." Why is it always Hitler instead of Mao or Stalin, both responsible for many more deaths than Hitler and both in relatively the same time period. It's a rhetorical question of course because I know it's a matter of the opportunity to bash fascist nationalism/patriotism vs the touchy feely perceived utopia of communism but they are still both extreme forms of socialism and nothing can deny the horror of all 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, devnull said: If I went back in time to 1935, I wouldn't kill Hitler I'd write a letter to myself and put it in a time capsule to be opened in the year 2000. And in this letter, is all the stocks I would tell my future self to invest in Same kind of crap caused Biff a lot of problems but he had a good run for a while. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 13 hours ago, Ann said: Those under 50 need to show up and vote. He must be Italian. He waves his hands more than an NFL referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyst Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 12 hours ago, RochesterRob said: Martial law works in a society where the opposition is minimally armed. That does not describe the US at present. It will not be just the far right up in arms if Biden restricts travel to requiring papers in order to move around the US. Who is going to tell the tens of thousands of NFL fans that they cannot see their team play on the road because it is feared somebody would deviate from their filed plan in order to go to DC and whack Biden. Further, politicians on the left would worry that extremists would just lump all Democrats together and settle for killing the likes of Hochul for example. you vastly overrate the American population. too many are just too concerned with their day to day lives if not the next few hours of their day to consider taking action to protect their rights. think of the dumbest person you know. think of the 5 average people you know. this is only inside your scope and chamber of acquaintances. of those 5 - how many are willing to sacrifice their livelihoods, careers, families, and life to be upset about some elected politician when they can just be placated that in 4 years there will be another election. that in the meantime they can retreat to their echo chamber of rage to be polarized even further. the average person in this country is watching the View, How I met Your Mother, listening to a country music station, and drinking a Truly. that's about it. that's either who is going to take it upon themselves to go to action or who those who take up action would be against. this country is too weak and poor of character to stand upon principle. and that maybe for the good right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 27 minutes ago, Boyst said: you vastly overrate the American population. too many are just too concerned with their day to day lives if not the next few hours of their day to consider taking action to protect their rights. think of the dumbest person you know. think of the 5 average people you know. this is only inside your scope and chamber of acquaintances. of those 5 - how many are willing to sacrifice their livelihoods, careers, families, and life to be upset about some elected politician when they can just be placated that in 4 years there will be another election. that in the meantime they can retreat to their echo chamber of rage to be polarized even further. the average person in this country is watching the View, How I met Your Mother, listening to a country music station, and drinking a Truly. that's about it. that's either who is going to take it upon themselves to go to action or who those who take up action would be against. this country is too weak and poor of character to stand upon principle. and that maybe for the good right now. I know or have known many people in my nearly 60 years of life. I know of people here in NY that live like mountain men. Quite a number that I know brag that they have no television. I know of a few that want to turn the clock back 150 years. Most of them are extremely xenophobic. All of this may be outside of your social circle but not mine. All that aside a fair number of people sense that these are not ordinary times politically. By the way most people who make up the Democrat party would be more comfortable manipulating data than stalking Trump but there are a few who would stalk Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 (edited) 15 hours ago, Cinga said: Why is it always Hitler instead of Mao or Stalin, both responsible for many more deaths than Hitler and both in relatively the same time period. It's a rhetorical question of course because I know it's a matter of the opportunity to bash fascist nationalism/patriotism vs the touchy feely perceived utopia of communism but they are still both extreme forms of socialism and nothing can deny the horror of all 3 Because it's deeply buried in the national identity. Greatest Generation fought a war to topple Hitler. Nobody ousted Stalin or Mao. Tomorrow's the 80th anniversary of the Battle of the Philippine Sea. Two weeks ago was the anniversary of the fall of Rome. Five days from now is the anniversary of Operation Bagration. No one in America cares...because we fought Hitler on Omaha Beach on June 6. It's part of our national zeitgeist. Edited June 18 by Crap Throwing Clavin 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 They can't be sticking with Biden, can they? But, who can rush in to save the Ds (down ticket)? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, Ann said: They can't be sticking with Biden, can they? But, who can rush in to save the Ds (down ticket)? Most likely an army of computer hackers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, Ann said: They can't be sticking with Biden, can they? But, who can rush in to save the Ds (down ticket)? GA, PA, and OH at least will go Biden's way, after the votes are "counted." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ann Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 14 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: Ohio cleared their voter rolls a few years back. That is why they went red. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, Ann said: Ohio cleared their voter rolls a few years back. That is why they went red. My fear is that the Democrats will heavily cheat in Cleveland and Cincy. Figure out how many have voted in recent history in each city then figure out how much they can pad the vote in favor of Biden. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 Just now, Ann said: Ohio cleared their voter rolls a few years back. That is why they went red. And what did I say? "Counted." Voter rolls aren't even close to being relevant to how the votes are counted. Democracy's too important to be left to the voters' choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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