Israel Has Declared a State of War

[Robs House]

5 minutes ago, Nouseforaname said:

All Israeli citizens serve in the military at one point in their lives therefore they are idf soldiers.  Were they kidnapped in service or at a festival you &#%$ing mouth breather ?

 

You inadvertently bring up another interesting point. 

 

What kind of dog shit society puts 19 year old girls in militart combat units? It's &#%$ing sick.

 

Also to follow your own logic, if every Palestinian is guilty for the acts of Hamas, despite having no meaningful control over anything Hamas does, wouldn't that make every Israeli of military age at least as complicit for the acts of the Israeli government, if not moreso? 

 

To be clear, that's not my position. But it's the logical conclusion of yours. I think all of this is &#%$ed up. I don't believe in any of this collective guilt. I believe in holding the individual accountable for his own actions. That was a conservative principle until about seven months ago.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

12 minutes ago, Robs House said:

 

 

And why are we stuck in a false binary where we must either accept falsehoods and half-truths or give absolution? Are those our only options? 

 

 

You yourself are stuck in a false binary where you're assuming a clear delineation between "military" and "civilian" in a situation where the combatants themselves make no such distinction.

 

You're also trying to argue that there's some sort of distinction between war crimes against soldiers vs. against civilians, when absolutely no one in the world makes that distinction.  

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

2 minutes ago, Robs House said:

 

You inadvertently bring up another interesting point. 

 

What kind of dog shit society puts 19 year old girls in militart combat units? It's &#%$ing sick.

 

 

The US, for starters. 

[Robs House]

1 minute ago, Ann said:

Total absence of evidence. Women often go to a music festival bleeding out their ass and vagina.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In your estimation, that picture is proof positive that not only was she raped, but that the blood on her pants is coming out of her ass and/or vagina? Again, it's possible, but hardly conclusive. I'm not familiar with the guy who posted this, but his conclusion seems more plausible. 

 

 

 

[Nouseforaname]

10 minutes ago, Robs House said:

 

You inadvertently bring up another interesting point. 

 

What kind of dog shit society puts 19 year old girls in militart combat units? It's &#%$ing sick.

 

Also to follow your own logic, if every Palestinian is guilty for the acts of Hamas, despite having no meaningful control over anything Hamas does, wouldn't that make every Israeli of military age at least as complicit for the acts of the Israeli government, if not moreso? 

 

To be clear, that's not my position. But it's the logical conclusion of yours. I think all of this is &#%$ed up. I don't believe in any of this collective guilt. I believe in holding the individual accountable for his own actions. That was a conservative principle until about seven months ago.

The kind of society that is surrounded by countries that don’t acknowledge their right to exist and are ready to go to war with them?

 

Are you really this stupid ?

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

3 minutes ago, Robs House said:

 

In your estimation, that picture is proof positive that not only was she raped, but that the blood on her pants is coming out of her ass and/or vagina? Again, it's possible, but hardly conclusive. I'm not familiar with the guy who posted this, but his conclusion seems more plausible. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to accuse you of justifying rape.

 

But I am going to ask...are you honestly claiming that this war could be different than every other war in history???

[Ann]

15 minutes ago, Robs House said:

 

In your estimation, that picture is proof positive that not only was she raped, but that the blood on her pants is coming out of her ass and/or vagina? Again, it's possible, but hardly conclusive. I'm not familiar with the guy who posted this, but his conclusion seems more plausible. 

 

 

 

The actual footage? You mean when she was dragged out of the back of that vehicle? Yeah. That is proof. 

[IDBillzFan]

20 minutes ago, Ann said:

Total absence of evidence. Women often go to a music festival bleeding out their ass and vagina.
 

 

But did you witness the rape? No, you did not. So how do you know that's not just ketchup on her pants after she sat on a hamburger at the festival? Or maybe she was just emulating Pinto Ron and standing around a bunch of music fans at the concert holding a hamburger while everyone sprayed her face with ketchup!

 

This is how Israel plays the misinformation game to justify a 'military invasion.' Make it LOOK like a bunch of innocent kids, women and babies were murdered and raped, and let the genocide begin!

 

Oddly enough, that doesn't sound any more ridiculous the Rob's House's perspective, which is kind of sad.

[Robs House]

49 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

You yourself are stuck in a false binary where you're assuming a clear delineation between "military" and "civilian" in a situation where the combatants themselves make no such distinction.

 

You're also trying to argue that there's some sort of distinction between war crimes against soldiers vs. against civilians, when absolutely no one in the world makes that distinction.  

 

I'm doing nothing of the sort. I simply added context that was intentionally misrepresented. You can't credibly argue that it is a meaningless distinction.

 

Further, this argument begs the question as it assumes the premise that the combatants make no distinction between the two.

 

48 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

The US, for starters. 

 

Exactly. Our culture is in moral decay. I try to resist the  black pill, but a society that sends its women to battle doesn't deserve to survive.

 

38 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

I'm not going to accuse you of justifying rape.

 

But I am going to ask...are you honestly claiming that this war could be different than every other war in history???

 

I would certainly hope you would not make such a baseless accusation, as I assume it's beneath you.

 

You do raise a few interesting points here.

 

First, I would honestly claim that the "war" is not a war at all, and is thus different in many ways from nearly every other "war" in modern history. 

 

Second, I don't purport to know what happened on October 7. We all have some vague idea, but we have very little direct knowledge of anything. We are reduced to relying on 2nd and 3rd hand accounts from unreliable sources. We know they've lied about several aspects of the attack. The most glaring example is the story of the 40 beheaded babies. Biden even went on TV and claimed he'd seen pictures before walking it back because no pictures existed because it never happened. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. If they're lying about that, there's no reason to believe anything they say that can't be independently verified. I'm not stating affirmatively that no Hamas operatives raped any Israelis. I have just seen no credible evidence of such a thing.

 

It's also worth noting that this was not a protracted invasion. It wrapped up within a few hours, and Hamas has not operated inside Israeli borders since. I don't find it beyond the scope of plausibility that no massive rape campaign took place during that time.

 

Third, if we're taking the position that all factions commit mass rape in all wars as a matter of course (which I don't believe, but I will concede that you are more learned than I wrt military history) that would seem to negate the outrageous nature of the accusations, as we would be arguing that this is just the natural course of things. Again, this is not my position, but it is the logical conclusion of that premise.

 

Fourth, I think it's obvious that the rape angle is being played up to foster outrage to justify the unjustifiable. Even if it were true, it still does not justify mass slaughter of innocent civilians, which is the clear purpose of the claim. 

 

Edited May 23 by Robs House

[Robs House]

26 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

But did you witness the rape? No, you did not. So how do you know that's not just ketchup on her pants after she sat on a hamburger at the festival? Or maybe she was just emulating Pinto Ron and standing around a bunch of music fans at the concert holding a hamburger while everyone sprayed her face with ketchup!

 

This is how Israel plays the misinformation game to justify a 'military invasion.' Make it LOOK like a bunch of innocent kids, women and babies were murdered and raped, and let the genocide begin!

 

Oddly enough, that doesn't sound any more ridiculous the Rob's House's perspective, which is kind of sad.

 

This is obnoxious. I'd have thought you were better than this.

[IDBillzFan]

57 minutes ago, Robs House said:

 

This is obnoxious. I'd have thought you were better than this.

 

How is it any more obnoxious than what you posted, that there was no real evidence of what happened, so how do we know this isn't all just Palestinians holding IDF soldiers hostage?

 

And oh yeah, they didn't rape them! The reason their @$$h@l&s are bloody is because their hands bled while they were cuffed behind their back? 

 

It boggles the mind how anyone watched what happened at the music festival and thinks the plan forward is to give Hamas the benefit of the doubt. I mean, Biden, yes. The Squad, yes? But regular folks who lean right? 

 

Weird.

 

 

 

 

[Nouseforaname]

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

How is it any more obnoxious than what you posted, that there was no real evidence of what happened, so how do we know this isn't all just Palestinians holding IDF soldiers hostage?

 

And oh yeah, they didn't rape them! The reason their @$$h@l&s are bloody is because their hands bled while they were cuffed behind their back? 

 

It boggles the mind how anyone watched what happened at the music festival and thinks the plan forward is to give Hamas the benefit of the doubt. I mean, Biden, yes. The Squad, yes? But regular folks who lean right? 

 

Weird.

 

 

 

 

Rob’s house has no problem saying that Israel is simply slaughtering civilians based on Hamas ministry of health but claiming that Israeli women were raped when there is actual evidence …

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Robs House said:

Fourth, I think it's obvious that the rape angle is being played up to foster outrage to justify the unjustifiable. Even if it were true, it still does not justify mass slaughter of innocent civilians, which is the clear purpose of the claim. 

 

 

And this is why your position loses any traction with me. We can't possibly know that the women were raped. We can't possibly know that there were dragged through the streets and murdered. And they're all IDF soldiers, anyway.

 

But we DO know that Israel mass slaughtered innocent civilians. Because Hamas told us so!

 

Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy here? It's just weird.

 

 

 

 

[Cinga]

1 hour ago, Robs House said:

 

In your estimation, that picture is proof positive that not only was she raped, but that the blood on her pants is coming out of her ass and/or vagina? Again, it's possible, but hardly conclusive. I'm not familiar with the guy who posted this, but his conclusion seems more plausible. 

 

 

 

 

I think you might want to check and rethink your sources. Further down that page "Suppressed News has this claiming it is translated wrong

 

 

But here is google translate, looks to be pretty accurate to me

 

[Nouseforaname]

The worst part of all of this is that @Robs House claims that the videos were released to increase support for the war.
 

In fact, the videos were released by the parents of the hostages to get the government to work on a hostage deal. 

 

Of course if he wasn’t a raging antisemite, he’d have probably done some research 

 

 

[Boyst]

36 minutes ago, Nouseforaname said:

The worst part of all of this is that @Robs House claims that the videos were released to increase support for the war.
 

In fact, the videos were released by the parents of the hostages to get the government to work on a hostage deal. 

 

Of course if he wasn’t a raging antisemite, he’d have probably done some research 

 

 

The headlines are ridiculous from these videos. All of the girls labeled as soldiers, troops, or military personnel. Doesn't every retard know by now that every Israeli is obligated to serve? Even super models.

 

Imagine if we had it here? Linquuisha be servin in da aaayr force doin sheet to help dem ayrplaynz fly'n sheet to know where der goin. Rufus had dat derr targeting system dialed in on the tomahawk praxting on Dem der skewurls.  Bentley has all his logistics laid out on Excel for each color coded pallet bound for 2nd floor review. Of course, Brittany has all of enemy positions marked by highlights in each of her tictoc videos 

[Nouseforaname]

1 hour ago, Boyst said:

The headlines are ridiculous from these videos. All of the girls labeled as soldiers, troops, or military personnel. Doesn't every retard know by now that every Israeli is obligated to serve? Even super models.

 

Imagine if we had it here? Linquuisha be servin in da aaayr force doin sheet to help dem ayrplaynz fly'n sheet to know where der goin. Rufus had dat derr targeting system dialed in on the tomahawk praxting on Dem der skewurls.  Bentley has all his logistics laid out on Excel for each color coded pallet bound for 2nd floor review. Of course, Brittany has all of enemy positions marked by highlights in each of her tictoc videos 

What kind of a society sends chicks to fight wars? Don’t you know the better solution is to strap a bomb to an old lady or just give them knives in plain clothes ?

 

But really? Do we even know if that’s a knife ? Could it have been a baguette and she just wanted to feed him and it was miscommunication because of the stabbing motion? I think a closeup of the knife wounds is the only way we really know for sure that a stabbing occurred.

 

 

Edited May 23 by Nouseforaname

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

1 hour ago, Nouseforaname said:

What kind of a society sends chicks to fight wars? Don’t you know the better solution is to strap a bomb to an old lady or just give them knives in plain clothes ?

 

But really? Do we even know if that’s a knife ? Could it have been a baguette and she just wanted to feed him and it was miscommunication because of the stabbing motion? I think a closeup of the knife wounds is the only way we really know for sure that a stabbing occurred.

 

 

 

Nazi Germany never employed women as soldiers.

 

Clearly, they weren't a degenerate society.

[Boyst]

2 hours ago, Nouseforaname said:

What kind of a society sends chicks to fight wars? Don’t you know the better solution is to strap a bomb to an old lady or just give them knives in plain clothes ?

 

But really? Do we even know if that’s a knife ? Could it have been a baguette and she just wanted to feed him and it was miscommunication because of the stabbing motion? I think a closeup of the knife wounds is the only way we really know for sure that a stabbing occurred.

 

 

For other reasons I think women should also be allowed to enter combat roles. I don't think many would pass the test if it was fair and honest. But I think women should be given every chance a man is given. And for the most part they are

[Robs House]

47 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

And this is why your position loses any traction with me. We can't possibly know that the women were raped. We can't possibly know that there were dragged through the streets and murdered. And they're all IDF soldiers, anyway.

 

But we DO know that Israel mass slaughtered innocent civilians. Because Hamas told us so!

 

Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy here? It's just weird.

 

 

 

 

 

That's not my position at all. It's not about giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt. As it pertains to Hamas it's a distinction without a difference. Whether the claims of rape are true, and whether they attacked civilians or military targets is irrelevant, as it pertains to Hamas. Regardless of how I may feel about Israel, I don't deny its right to kill the people who attacked them. I hope that's clear, because this point seems to be lost on everyone.

 

What I don't like is being lied to. And I don't like emotional manipulation. I didn't like it after 9/11 when we were manipulated into wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, I don't like it when leftists pimp out the corpses of dead kids to manipulate us into relinquishing our gun rights, and I don't like it when a foreign country plays on our sympathies to manipulate us into supporting and funding whatever you want to call this humanitarian catastrophe they're undertaking in Gaza.

 

It seems incredulous to me that anyone could doubt that Israel is clearly using gut level revulsion to gain as much support for it's military offensive as possible. To Tom's point, are we to assume that Israel is acting differently from every country in modern history who is waging war? Every country casts itself as the victim by the most persuasive means it can muster. Atrocity porn is a very effective method, as is evidenced by the reactions of otherwise reasonable people in this thread. It makes it easy to blur the lines between the perpetrators and the innocents who live among them.

 

Now, just as I see no reason to give Hamas the benefit of the doubt, I also see no reason to give Israel the benefit of the doubt. As I mentioned earlier, we know for a fact they have intentionally lied about atrocities such as babies being beheaded and baked. We all know why they circulated those stories. If they'll lie about that they'll lie about anything. 

 

Not only are they playing on our sympathies, they're playing on our cognitive biases. Belief perseverance is a phenomenon that the establishment media has exploited for decades. They plant the story, the belief sets in, then when the story is discredited the belief remains. It was how they snowed a generation of mind-numbed robots into thinking a middle of the road quasi-Republican like Trump was the greatest threat to "our democracy." Even after the whole Russian house of cards collapsed, no one outside of the political right noticed or cared. Israel and its media puppets are playing us the same way.

 

Further, I'm not taking the word of Hamas for anything. There's no real dispute about the level of carnage in Gaza. Their may be some squabbling at the margins, but unlike October 7, there are more than a handful of images and videos of the death and destruction that's taking place. The evidence is overwhelming. I don't have to take the word of an Israeli loyalist who was hand-picked to view the secret atrocity video, then wrote a summary that was still largely inconsistent with the media narrative. I tune out discussions about hard numbers and how many of the dead are combatants vs civilians because it's not plausible that anyone has reliable numbers. The statements and reports coming out of Israel itself reinforce what my eyes tell me is going on.

 

All that aside, I wouldn't support Israel regardless of its conflict with Gaza or Hamas. Going back to its inception, there is little I find favorable about Israel. The founding of their state is a story of subversion, betrayal, and brutality. The sanitized history we're taught in the West is betrayed by the contemporaneous accounts of the founders of the Zionist movement in their own words. I don't have any particular connection to or affection for the Palestinian people, but as a wise man once said: people don't have a strong sense of justice, but they have a strong sense of injustice; and the treatment of these people over the last century has been manifestly unjust.

 

But even putting all that aside and looking strictly from the viewpoint of U.S. interests, I still have no use for Israel. The myth of our "greatest ally" is a tale that has been crafted and fed to us for so long that it has become ingrained in our national DNA, but it, in my estimation, is baseless. I see Israel as a parasitic state that sucks off our resources, buys off our politicians, drags us into its conflicts, and exploits our generosity. 

 

I've posed the question many times, what makes Israel our greatest ally, and I have yet to receive much of an answer. I can run down things the U.S. has done in support of Israel all day, but I can't come up with much of anything they've done for us. I can, however, think of several things they've done that one would be expected of an enemy rather than an ally. There are many conspiracy theories that are floating around that seem reasonably plausible, but putting those aside, just off the top of my head I can think of a handful of examples of Israel's betrayal of the U.S. that are not in dispute, and have been inexplicably memory-holed.

 

We can start with the Lavon Affair. We could start sooner, but let's just stick with the greatest hits for now. That was a confirmed false flag operation that occurred in 1954 when the Israelis planted bombs in U.S. and British targets for the purpose of drawing us into a war with Egypt on their behalf. The Israelis were caught red-handed, yet for reasons that no one explains, we kissed and made up, and it was never to be spoken of again.

 

We can skip ahead to 1967 when Israel engaged in another false flag operation when it bombed and attempted to sink the U.S.S. liberty, again, to draw us into war with Egypt. These scumbags even shot up the lifeboats, which only makes sense if you're trying to eliminate the witnesses. Unfortunately for them U.S. planes arrived on the scene before they could finish the job. They offered up the absurd excuse that this was just a big mistake and somehow they thought a U.S. ship flying a big U.S. flag was an Egyptian ship. Again, the U.S. shrugged its proverbial shoulders and said "hey, mistakes happen, but you're still my creampuff." I've seen interviews with the guys who were on that boat, and it's clear as day that it was no accident, yet that too was memory-holed and never to be spoken of again.

 

Those two incidents right there should enough to, at the very least, create a rebuttable presumption that Israel is not our ally, but it appears no explanation is needed. It's like a Democrat scandal - nothing to see here, and don't aske about it again. That doesn't even get into incidents of Israeli espionage or selling our military technology to our adversaries., and that's just what they've gotten caught doing that I can think of off the top of my head. God knows what else they've done.

 

One could point to all the times that Israeli troops have fought along side our troops since 9/11, but there are none. We spent trillions of dollars, thousands of lives of American troops, not to mention the 10s of thousands wounded, in an effort to topple Iraq for the benefit of Israel, and what did we get in return? Nothing.

 

On top of that, I don't care for the internal politics or culture of Israel. Domestically they're overwhelmingly left-wing, aside from their decidedly right-wing immigration policy (an ethno-state for me, but not for thee), which is their business and I wouldn't otherwise care, but I don't know why I'm supposed to feel a deep spiritual kinship to a bunch of rainbow flag waving, abortion on demand supporting, gender-affirming, woke commies. 

 

It does also rub me the wrong way when they are permitted to send their lobbyists to buy off our politicians, especially when they're given the special treatment of not having to register as foreign agents like every other country, or that AIPAC brags that 95% of the U.S. candidates they back win their elections. They flaunt it in our faces and we say "right on."

 

As far as the protests go, I don't give a shit about commies on college campuses supporting the current thing, but it does bother me when so-called "conservatives" throw the first amendment out the window faster than a black lesbian running an ivy league DEI department, only to stop "Anti-Semitism" on college campuses. Curiously, none of these people have given a shit about pre-genocidal anti-White talk, that makes radio Rwanda look tame by comparison, that's permeated college campuses for over a decade, but God forbid a Jewish student feel "unsafe" and all of a sudden it's time to bring on the speech codes and safe spaces. I can't help but do a double take when the cops who got on a knee for anti-White, anti-American protests bring the &#%$ing hammer down on Anti-Israeli protests. It bothers me even more when the House passes absurd speech code laws to "combat anti-Semitism," in which "anti-Semitism" is defined, among other things, as criticizing Israeli foreign policy, suggesting Jews have disproportionate control over corporate media, or that Jews killed Jesus.

 

And the cherry on top, and maybe this ire should be reserved for my fellow "conservatives" rather than the Israelis and their Zionist supporters, but I absolutely detest the way the woke right mimics the woke left with regards to this issue. If you have a problem with Israel buying off your politicians, or Jewish interest groups like the ADL, SPLC, HIAS, etc., supporting every woke, left-wing, anti-white, anti-American policy and narrative coming down the pike, or billions of dollars going to fund the carpet bombing of impoverished kids in a war zone their parents and grandparents were dumped in as they were being forced out of their ancestral homes to make room for these so-called "settlers," it's not because you have any principled opposition to any of this, you're just "anti-Semitic." Apparently, if Hindus, pagans, or whoever the &#%$ else did it we'd be fine and dandy, but it's only a problem because of some irrational hatred of Jews. It's no different from the tired leftist bit by which anyone who doesn't support BLM, black culture, and all the woke bullshit that goes with that, it's not because you have a problem with the glorification of violence, degeneracy, and baseless double-standards, you're just "racist." Same shit, different virtue-pet.

 

My principles are consistent, they don't go whichever way the Republican wind blows. Like Martin King said, I'm not judging the Israelis by the size of their noses, but by the content of their National character.

 

So in light of all that, if someone could give me a rational explanation as to why I'm off base and Israel deserves my deference, much less my support, I'm all ears, but so far I find the arguments unpersuasive.