Fansince88 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 3 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: Key point being communications breakdown, which I don't think anyone disputes. Breakdown or blockade? Either way, from what I am seeing is the ss sniper was awaiting clearance to shoot, for quite a while concerning who was on the other roof. Supposedly an officer went up on the roof to ask what the guy was doing there and when he made himself known the shooter turned his rifle on the officer and the officer fell. Once again, poor protocal as he didnt have his weapon drawn. So much just doesnt seem right. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ann Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 The officer who confronted Thomas Matthew Crooks on the roof radioed a "blanket tactical channel" that there was "an individual on the roof with a weapon" before the assassination attempt on President Trump. Why wasn't President Trump immediately evacuated? Was the Secret Service listening to this "blanket tactical channel"? Two officers went to the lowest point of the building. One officer boosted the other high enough to reach the roof, where he saw the shooter with a weapon. Crooks turned and pointed his weapon at the officer, who then ducked and fell off the roof. "The boosting officer and the officer that fell were both on the radio indicating that there was an individual on the roof that did, in fact, have a weapon." "There was a blanket tactical channel being used. Everyone who was on that tactical channel heard it." How much time was there between that radio communication and the gun being fired at President Trump? It's bad enough that the Secret Service didn't put anyone on the most obvious roof 150 yards away. But after two police officers radioed in that there was a guy on the roof with a gun, why wasn't President Trump immediately evacuated? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, Ann said: Could be they "knew something" big would happen. Or it could simply be that the networks all were covering that rally as it was the last one before the RNC convention and they were getting their crews used to each other. Am going with it being the latter until somebody gives some reasonable proof it was the former. (And btw, wife was watching something on CBS when everything happened and they broke into that show and IMHO did a good job of covering the event. Surprised the heck out of me that they did.) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 14 minutes ago, Ann said: 8 minutes ago, Taro T said: Could be they "knew something" big would happen. Or it could simply be that the networks all were covering that rally as it was the last one before the RNC convention and they were getting their crews used to each other. Am going with it being the latter until somebody gives some reasonable proof it was the former. (And btw, wife was watching something on CBS when everything happened and they broke into that show and IMHO did a good job of covering the event. Surprised the heck out of me that they did.) The only problem with the latter option is the media blanket determination "not to amplify Trump's message and rallies". All the major networks said that at the start of the presidential election cycle (1.5 years ago give or take) - and they steadfastly stuck to that. Until last weekend - when, with no fanfare, no explanation as to why they were going back on their statements to the viewers they normally hand hold with everything that even approaches being neutral on Trump. That doesn't mean the networks and reporters knew that they were doing so to cover the assassination live - only a few higher ups in the food chain need to know those details. And even then, the heads of the networks don't need to know why they're covering the event, they just need to get a call from the right member of the IC to tell them they should. This whole thing smells - mainly because the explanations given so far are so incredibly brainless. It's not just incompetency, but blatant disregard for basic SOP security protocols, let alone USSS protocols. DSIC Playbook: 1) Radicalize a young person through their shrink or the social media they consume - reach out to them through DMs to prod them along the path of "hey, the world would be better if...". (this is why they aren't sharing his phone data - and likely never will). 2) Once the water is properly chummed, use your influence to either put "controllable" people on the security team in key points (people who are either too stupid to know they're pawns, or too corrupt/compromised by the DSIC to say no). 3) Use your cut-outs in the media to make sure the images are shown around the world so there can be no disputing what happened and why (Trump deserved it due to his own rhetoric - which is why Martha and other IC Media heads had that talking point immediately ready to go). 4) Then, if/when things go wrong, you have no real thread to blow back on you. The shooter is easy to discount ("he's a registered republican!" / when they do release his socials, no doubt there will be right wing stuff thrown in to emphasize this). The security breakdowns can be blamed on local officials first (it happened in a Trump county, "those country bumpkins can't protect a POTUS!"), then it'll slowly work its way up the food chain until enough escape goats have been jettisoned. Not saying this is how it happened - but as of this date, there's far more circumstantial evidence supporting this kind of set up than there is of a lone nut with a gun. At least, there's enough evidence that one can't completely dismiss this alternative at this time. Kind of like Covid's Lab Leak. Everyone knew in the first few days what happened. But the "expert class" told us not to rush to judgment - then spent 3 years lying and spinning - only to come back to the conclusion that was obvious to everyone on day one. Same thing will happen here - but instead of 3 years, it'll take 50 like JFK. 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This whole thing smells - mainly because the explanations given so far are so incredibly brainless. It's not just incompetency, but blatant disregard for basic SOP security protocols, let alone USSS protocols. it's not just disregard for basis protocol. they don't care anymore they know that anything they say, no matter how stupid, will be spun by the media to be accepted by the masses - who have absolutely zero ability to critically think on their own it's blatant disregard for basic intelligence because there will be no consequences for anyone involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 40 minutes ago, Spartacus said: it's not just disregard for basis protocol. they don't care anymore they know that anything they say, no matter how stupid, will be spun by the media to be accepted by the masses - who have absolutely zero ability to critically think on their own it's blatant disregard for basic intelligence because there will be no consequences for anyone involved For all the shit I give you about being routinely hilariously wrong...I gotta defer to your expertise here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyst Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, Nanker said: Lol 4chan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy In Pants Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 I wanted to believe it was a simple breakdown in procedures. Now I know that’s not the case. We can’t trust a mother &#%$er for nothing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 Butler PA says they were only responsible for traffic. They are unhappy that the SS is trying to pin it on them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 2 minutes ago, Ann said: Butler PA says they were only responsible for traffic. They are unhappy that the SS is trying to pin it on them. Either 1) they're lying, or 2) someone did not communicate their responsibilities to them clearly and accurately. I'm betting heavily on 2. Even given that an ex-president's and presumptive candidate's protection detail is AA ball...this is still complete amateur hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alaska Darin Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 The failure just keeps getting colossaler. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nouseforaname Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 14 minutes ago, Ann said: Aren’t apps like WhatsApp and signal encrypted? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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